Comments on: Hello Messiah Obama, are you ready for the Backlash? http://ultraorange.net/2009/01/20/hello-messiah-obama-are-you-ready-for-the-backlash/ madness, art and world affairs Mon, 26 Jul 2010 02:05:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: orangeguru http://ultraorange.net/2009/01/20/hello-messiah-obama-are-you-ready-for-the-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-12475 orangeguru Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:39:02 +0000 http://ultraorange.net/2009/01/20/hello-messiah-obama-are-you-ready-for-the-backlash/#comment-12475 @Diego: Oh well, just trying to speak my mind and what I see. @Diego: Oh well, just trying to speak my mind and what I see.

]]> By: Diego http://ultraorange.net/2009/01/20/hello-messiah-obama-are-you-ready-for-the-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-12460 Diego Sat, 24 Jan 2009 01:57:54 +0000 http://ultraorange.net/2009/01/20/hello-messiah-obama-are-you-ready-for-the-backlash/#comment-12460 Guru, this was great analysis! I was wondering if anyone else on the planet had thoughts like these and sure enough, you didn't disappoint. I know there are people in the US who do have the thoughts but right now they are being outshouted by left and right. Thanks for a great post! Guru, this was great analysis! I was wondering if anyone else on the planet had thoughts like these and sure enough, you didn’t disappoint. I know there are people in the US who do have the thoughts but right now they are being outshouted by left and right. Thanks for a great post!

]]> By: orangeguru http://ultraorange.net/2009/01/20/hello-messiah-obama-are-you-ready-for-the-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-12446 orangeguru Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:22:44 +0000 http://ultraorange.net/2009/01/20/hello-messiah-obama-are-you-ready-for-the-backlash/#comment-12446 @Stephen J. Galbincea: Thanks once again for your long comment. My suggestion for American change has less to do with the ten commandments, instead it's more about the attitude of Americans and their involvement with their country. Plus I think religion and politics should be separated. What you are touching is the old discussion can the be morality without religion or is our morality not based on religion? But it's not religion that brings morality - it's simply nature. Richard Dawkins (and many other scientists) drew this conclusion in his book "The Selfish Gene": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selfish_gene (Which actually is not about selfishness, but rather a lot that the gene tries to do anything possible to keep itself alive - even in "copies". That is were altruism and social cooperation comes from.) Human rights have been discussed and even legally written down in several ancient cultures way before Christianity. So these ideas are an essential part of human nature and our social behavior. I personally applaud anyone who is trying to follow the great insights and texts of Jesus. Most of his words are brilliant and very commendable. But morality can't be organized - neither in books nor via organizations like the church. @Stephen J. Galbincea: Thanks once again for your long comment.

My suggestion for American change has less to do with the ten commandments, instead it’s more about the attitude of Americans and their involvement with their country.

Plus I think religion and politics should be separated.

What you are touching is the old discussion can the be morality without religion or is our morality not based on religion?

But it’s not religion that brings morality – it’s simply nature. Richard Dawkins (and many other scientists) drew this conclusion in his book “The Selfish Gene”:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selfish_gene

(Which actually is not about selfishness, but rather a lot that the gene tries to do anything possible to keep itself alive – even in “copies”. That is were altruism and social cooperation comes from.)

Human rights have been discussed and even legally written down in several ancient cultures way before Christianity. So these ideas are an essential part of human nature and our social behavior.

I personally applaud anyone who is trying to follow the great insights and texts of Jesus. Most of his words are brilliant and very commendable. But morality can’t be organized – neither in books nor via organizations like the church.

]]> By: Stephen J. Galbincea http://ultraorange.net/2009/01/20/hello-messiah-obama-are-you-ready-for-the-backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-12438 Stephen J. Galbincea Tue, 20 Jan 2009 23:03:50 +0000 http://ultraorange.net/2009/01/20/hello-messiah-obama-are-you-ready-for-the-backlash/#comment-12438 I liked this essay. Even though as a Christian - one who actually tries to follow the example of Jesus - I disagree with you on some points, overall I feel that you are right on the money with your assessment of America. The problem with Obama is that he has been built up so much here that the only way he can go is down. I am truly hopeful that he and the Democrats in power now are good for this country, and can undo many of the things that Bush did that I did not agree with. Only time will tell. You did admit that our nations roots are based in Christian ideology, which is good....however the statement that that needs to change puzzles me. Aside from the commandment that you shall have only one God, what do you find objectionable about the ten commandments that needs to change? Out Bill of Rights is obviously based upon this...what's wrong with it? Maybe I misunderstood you, please let me know. As for the inquisition and such, I hope that was tongue in cheek as there wasn't much Christianity in those actions at all. You stated: "Great Christian values: love, kindness, forgiveness, tolerance …" which is the truth, it is a shame that more people of all walks of faith do not adhere to those tenets. The optimist in me would like for that dream to one day become a reality, but the realist in me knows that the Bible is right and it is only a matter of time before we are judged - and mostly found guilty of disobedience. All I can do for today is try and live like the man, the man who set the best example of how to live, how to treat others, and how to treat ourselves. I am glad that the name of Jesus was invoked today. Take care and keep writing, I enjoy it. I liked this essay. Even though as a Christian – one who actually tries to follow the example of Jesus – I disagree with you on some points, overall I feel that you are right on the money with your assessment of America. The problem with Obama is that he has been built up so much here that the only way he can go is down. I am truly hopeful that he and the Democrats in power now are good for this country, and can undo many of the things that Bush did that I did not agree with. Only time will tell.

You did admit that our nations roots are based in Christian ideology, which is good….however the statement that that needs to change puzzles me. Aside from the commandment that you shall have only one God, what do you find objectionable about the ten commandments that needs to change? Out Bill of Rights is obviously based upon this…what’s wrong with it? Maybe I misunderstood you, please let me know. As for the inquisition and such, I hope that was tongue in cheek as there wasn’t much Christianity in those actions at all. You stated: “Great Christian values: love, kindness, forgiveness, tolerance …” which is the truth, it is a shame that more people of all walks of faith do not adhere to those tenets. The optimist in me would like for that dream to one day become a reality, but the realist in me knows that the Bible is right and it is only a matter of time before we are judged – and mostly found guilty of disobedience.

All I can do for today is try and live like the man, the man who set the best example of how to live, how to treat others, and how to treat ourselves. I am glad that the name of Jesus was invoked today. Take care and keep writing, I enjoy it.

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